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Heated gloves/jacket controller died
01/22/18 at 21:05:00
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I have a Tour Master heated jacket liner and Gerbing heated gloves I have used them occasionally but don't need them too much here in Southern Ca. This week end I took a cold ride and when I really needed some heat they quit  ARRRRGH.

I have power and the fuse is good and checked for power as close as I could to where the wiring disappears into the  jacket. I suspect the controller went bonkers as the gloves and jacket quit at the same time,  but I can't find anything on line on how to test the darn thing. The only thing out there is "user grade" information. I've been all over Youtube, all the heated clothing sites, a unanswered email to Tour Master and nothing.

I'm not in love with the controller as it sticks out under the jacket like something a donkey would use to procreate it's race. It's hard to use see or do anything with unless you are parked.

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Is there anyway to test this controller from it's 5 pin amphenol connection? (controller pic below)

can I get an aftermarket controller and adapt?

I really want a controller mounted to the dash where I could see it and use it on the fly.

Any help would be greatly appreciated
  

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Re: Heated gloves/jacket controller died
Reply #1 - 01/23/18 at 06:24:38
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I know absolutely nothing about such things (although it does look familiar, maybe similar to an electric blanket?).  But can you crack it open and check the board and connections inside the case?
  

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BPT wrote on 01/23/18 at 06:24:38:
although it does look familiar, maybe similar to an electric blanket?)


Thanks BPT... good thought. The similarity to an electric blanket had escaped me. I'll put my brain in that mode and see what I can come up with.

The gloves and jacket liner are pricey for me at around $200-250 considering how much I use them so I didn't want to butcher(I have much experience) anything I could salvage.

I hesitated  opening the controller as it is "water proof" which means that  it probably won't be after I open it  Roll Eyes

That would be a kick if I could sub a blanket controller and have a white "sleepy time" controller mounted Grin to the bars
  

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Reply #3 - 01/23/18 at 13:31:42
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I didn't think about the waterproof thing, that could be an issue if they've made it a pain to open.  A while back I picked up a package of plastic tools that were more helpful than I expected.  Profit brand, or something like that?  They have some made for specific things, like an I Phone, but then some other general ones. There's a guitar pick shaped thing, other ones like mini screwdriver and crowbar shaped.  And they all seem to be bright green.  They've helped me get into some plastic things with less mangling than usual.

That sucks that you've got gear from a pricey brand but they won't respond to you.  I understand you wouldn't want to destroy your nice stuff.
  

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Re: Heated gloves/jacket controller died
Reply #4 - 01/23/18 at 16:28:30
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Silicon it covers anything. I had to repair underground security cables once, I soldered them up and then used piece of cable sheath under it and filled it with silicon and its still working today.
  
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BPT wrote on 01/23/18 at 13:31:42:
I understand you wouldn't want to destroy your nice stuff.
                   


In my youth I destroyed enough stuff for two life times. I have no more patience now than I did then but I have gained the ability to just "walk away",  Roll Eyes
  

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Re: Heated gloves/jacket controller died
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Oh no!  You might have become a grown up!?!?
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Reply #7 - 01/27/18 at 18:35:57
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You can use another brand controller and just change the connectors
If you have power into the controller and nothing out then the controller is bad
You have to know how to use a a volt meter and have the wiring schematic  to figure that out
Just stick a needle thru the insulation of the wire to hook up the volt meter with out cutting the insulation
Make sure the whole system is pluged in and turned on when checking   
but chances are it was the  controller
look here for parts
https://ibaestore.com/
http://www.warmnsafe.com/heat-trollers/
  

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Reply #8 - 01/27/18 at 18:39:01
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wilcom wrote on 01/23/18 at 09:24:12:
BPT wrote on 01/23/18 at 06:24:38:
although it does look familiar, maybe similar to an electric blanket?)
I hesitated  opening the controller as it is "water proof" w
That would be a kick if I could sub a blanket controller and have a white "sleepy time" controller mounted Grin to the bars


No an electric blanket uses AC
different type controller
  

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Reply #9 - 01/27/18 at 18:45:01
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I see heat troller has this
  

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Reply #10 - 01/27/18 at 19:07:27
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Here is how I have my Heat Troller  set up on a electrified RKA tank bag
  

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Reply #11 - 01/27/18 at 19:52:17
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Mrclubike wrote on 01/27/18 at 18:35:57:
You can use another brand controller and just change the connectors
If you have power into the controller and nothing out then the controller is bad
You have to know how to use a a volt meter and have the wiring schematic  to figure that out
Just stick a needle thru the insulation of the wire to hook up the volt meter with out cutting the insulation
Make sure the whole system is pluged in and turned on when checking   
but chances are it was the  controller
look here for parts
https://ibaestore.com/
http://www.warmnsafe.com/heat-trollers/


With no available wiring diagrams around for this controller I bit the bullet and opened it up. All hooked up and ready to go I was only able to find 7.5 volts on 2 of the leads and that was to the bike ground. Among the 5 leads there is nada for voltage. I was wishing for 12v in and zip.dodo out. so the jacket must be providing some resistance before it gets to the controller.

I have looked at mega sites for heated gear and it looks like this jacket is the only one that uses the 5 pin connection.

I put in my 2nd email request to Tour Master and have received a 2nd "no response" from them, cross anything "tour Master " off your wish list. I did call a couple of mega dealers that handled many brands of heated clothing. When I explained the issue to them it became obvious that I knew more about it than they did. How can that be? Undecided


  

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Reply #12 - 01/27/18 at 19:56:39
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Mrclubike wrote on 01/27/18 at 18:39:01:
No an electric blanket uses AC
different type controller


The ones I looked at were AC on the front end but was rectified and the back end was DC... but even the kids controllers were operating at 25 volts dc and too much. And with todays electronics with the black boxes it's hard to tell how they accomplish what they do by just viewing the wiring.
  

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Reply #13 - 01/27/18 at 20:00:47
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Mrclubike wrote on 01/27/18 at 18:45:01:
I see heat troller has this


I like that adapter. What lights my fire is why they won't show you both sides of the thing. I wanna see what I'm adapting to. I saw that after reading a post on the adventure riders forum.

I think I'm going to open the garment and see how that 5 pin thing is wired in. I want to end up with the controller on the bars like the slick set up you have. Nice Job !
  

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Re: Heated gloves/jacket controller died
Reply #14 - 01/27/18 at 22:53:00
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Does this controller plug into the vest with the 5 pin  and has a separate lead for the 12 volt power in
Is so this controller must have a temp  signal coming from the vest
Most electrically  heated gear just have 2 wires going into them (12v + and -) and you can wire it up on a on-off switch or a variable out put controller

There  are some vest that use 7.4 volts you may have that
Remember if you have no current load on a resistor you will show the same voltage on both ends

If you are not showing 12volt positive with respect to ground on any of those terminals in that controller
My guess is you have a fuse or a safety temp fuse or something inside the vest that may be open

I am wondering where does your gloves plug in
If they are dead try diagnosing them to find your problem   
gerbings usually run on 12 volts
  

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